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Discussion starter · #61 ·
It is a bit cold for working on or running trains outside so I have made a start on some more scenic work in the Cabin. It is warm enough in there for short visits! I have always thought that the tracks on the return loop didn't look quite right being at the edge of the base board so I have extended the width along part of it at least so that I can model the other side of the cutting leading into the tunnel. As it needn't bear much weight I was able to use some offcuts of ply ( about 8mm I think) supported by strip extended under the main board and screweed from underneath. So far I have made the foundation for the cutting out of foam insulation. I am trying to make a rock face at the tunnel mouth as that is right on the edge. I am still waiting for the PVA glue to set properly.
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You can just about make out the "rock face" made from bits of slate. I will use a colour wash over this to look more like warm limestone I hope.
 
Hi Chris,
Cold indeed eh !
What a great addition / land grab - that definitely makes a real difference already on that part of the layout; also cleverly done with the what will all be hidden fixings from below.
Are you perhaps thinking of adding a signal or two in that area as well, will look great on the bend too ?
From the photos you got a little of that lovely be it brief sunshine today too.
Look forward to further updates as always, Cheers for now, Norm
 
Discussion starter · #63 ·
Yes, it was a very sunny day on Friday but freezing fog all day Sunday so it was far too cold in teh cabin. The dehumidifier won't work that cold and it takes too long to warm up with the fan heater. I will think about a signal before the tunnel, i am not very knowledgeable about signals but ther could be one there if it was the start of teh next section I suppose. At least it would be protected from damage if it was in the cutting.
Chris
 
Hi Chris,

The easy way to work out signal placement is to imagine that you are the engine driver ............ how easy is it to see the signal and is it clear what the signal is for.

All signals on the real railway are assessed for, "signal sighting" and can be re-located or made more visible if there is any ambiguity. In the case of your curved location the signal would be best placed by the lineside hut and would protect the route through the tunnel section up to the next signal (presumably located beyond the tunnel). If, in your mind that next signal would be located close to the emergence from that tunnel then the signal by the lineside hut would also have a distant signal arm which, if also in the clear position would indicate that the next signal after the tunnel is also in a clear position. This way the driver knows that it is safe to proceed through the next two signal sections.

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I hope that this is helpful.

Best regards ................ Greyvoices (alias John)
 
Hi Chris,
Further to John's very informative post in terms of the possible signal(s) before the tunnel mouth entrance; within the Ratio Signal Kits they do some of the signal formats John has suggested, the below being some old wip pics of some of these being built -
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............... along with a few different signals too.
There are some much better examples & completed builds on Shedman / John's layout thread from last year too.
As you say definitely a project that can readily be done on the cold days in the warm too :)
Cheers for now & keep warm, Norm
 
Discussion starter · #67 ·
Hello Norm. i made up some Ratio signals a good while ago while I was still at work and I have been retired nearly 12 years. The weekend days were usually quiet so I had time to do a bit of model making! I hae just ordered some more, I had a look at teh MSE kits but my soldering is not as neat as it was so I have plumpt for Ratio again. When I get my new glasses I might see how the MSE ones look, I might try a simple one to see. Loads to do on the railway front as always and helping Liz with research for her book on a Suffolk Clockmaker she is writing. The internet is very useful!
Best wishes, Chris
 
Hi Chris,
I made a MSE LMS starter and it actually made up pretty well and I'm no great solderer either. My later ones have been ratio because all the bits are in the kits with plenty of flexibility for variations. I had to give up on remote operation for the various bracket/junction signals as the components are too fragile. MSE would be better to make operational but you'd need to design and purchase all the different bits yourself- I decided it would all take me too long!!
If you do get some of either format working I'll be very impressed!
 
Hello Norm. i made up some Ratio signals a good while ago while I was still at work and I have been retired nearly 12 years. The weekend days were usually quiet so I had time to do a bit of model making! I hae just ordered some more, I had a look at teh MSE kits but my soldering is not as neat as it was so I have plumpt for Ratio again. When I get my new glasses I might see how the MSE ones look, I might try a simple one to see. Loads to do on the railway front as always and helping Liz with research for her book on a Suffolk Clockmaker she is writing. The internet is very useful!
Best wishes, Chris
Hi Chris,
Hope this finds you both well & hopefully starting to get some slightly milder weather as we are here too.
Do think the Ratio signals can make up some very reasonable models that certainly look the part, be that static or working in some way. The kits are also very adaptable, as Shedman / John has shown on his layout thread last year, which think just adds to the final appearance / resulting models too. Have also found they can last for years & years, even if need a little tlc on occasions.
Love the building the kits during quiet times at work; have a great mental pic; phone goes Chris we need to urgently do a repair on X/Y/Z - sure no problem will be on it in about 20mins, just waiting for the signal arm to set, can't stop right now :) Sure you will enjoy doing the new kits when they arrive too.
Have looked at & like the MSE kits too, but not even tried a "simple" one as John has - braver man than me. Sure your soldering skills will be fine on there kits for sure.
If you said there was nothing to do on the railway would be worried or think you were seriously ill - aren't those To Do Lists all part of the fun ;)
Liz's book & your research must also be fascinating & also the info on the website must take you down so many rabbit holes too !
Anyway good luck on the to do list & look forward to following your progress in due course too, Cheers for now, Norm
 
I'm a bit of a duffer when it comes to using my hands, so I found building a couple of Ratio signals a challenge and felt that the signals were not particularly robust.
Not being a great one for soldering either, I tried a simple single round tube masted signal from MSE. I used DCC Concepts no clean flux and their 179 degree solder. After ensuring the brass to be soldered was clear of oxide and other contaminents, I found that I was able to get a nice flow and silvery smooth joints. The resulting signal was robust enough to mechanise using a servo.
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I was so pleased with the result that I went on to build a bracket signal with three arms on two posts.
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David
 
Discussion starter · #72 ·
I'm a bit of a duffer when it comes to using my hands, so I found building a couple of Ratio signals a challenge and felt that the signals were not particularly robust.
Not being a great one for soldering either, I tried a simple single round tube masted signal from MSE. I used DCC Concepts no clean flux and their 179 degree solder. After ensuring the brass to be soldered was clear of oxide and other contaminents, I found that I was able to get a nice flow and silvery smooth joints. The resulting signal was robust enough to mechanise using a servo.
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I was so pleased with the result that I went on to build a bracket signal with three arms on two posts.
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David
Thanks for the information, I will try some of the solder you recommend. I have been using ordinary multicore solder up until now which does work byt perhaps not so well. I did manage to put together a Roxey SDJR milk van with not too much diifficulty and it runs alright so i must have a try with the mse signals. I will make up the Ratio ones first as these are GW types. I want about 3 LSWR/SR signals as well plus possibly one SDJR type for the branch line. My layout is a very unlikely mixture of GWR, LSWR and SDJR. Like many people I have collected models that I like over the years.
Chris
 
Hi again Chris,
Am with you totally on the models you like front; with me it tends to be GWR / SR & S&DJR as top favourites, along with a mix of various others on the loco front.
Like the sound of your S&DJR milk tanker - maybe post a pic at some point :)
Have actually just seen an email from RoS with the proposed Rapido new S&DJR coaches for Pre-Orders ............................
Anyway good luck on the signals build front & hope you enjoy.
Cheers for now & Happy Modelling, Norm
 
I will try some of the solder you recommend. I have been using ordinary multicore solder up until now which does work byt perhaps not so well
I think you should find it much easier to work with.

If you do decide to try using Model Signal Engineering, since absorbed into Wizard Models, parts to build a bespoke signal, I suggest starting with a kit first to get an idea of how the process works.
There is a large array of etched brass frets available for different signal parts - eg bracket, arms, lattice masts. Tubular masts are just brass tube cut to length. The kits are just the appropriate frets and tube bundled into a bag with instructions. Once you've seen how it goes, you can mix and match the frets yourself.

Perhaps this would make a good starting kit?
S4/KW2: GWR Tubular Post Lower Quadrant Signal Kit – Wizard Models Limited

David
 
I'm a bit of a duffer when it comes to using my hands, so I found building a couple of Ratio signals a challenge and felt that the signals were not particularly robust.
Not being a great one for soldering either, I tried a simple single round tube masted signal from MSE. I used DCC Concepts no clean flux and their 179 degree solder. After ensuring the brass to be soldered was clear of oxide and other contaminents, I found that I was able to get a nice flow and silvery smooth joints. The resulting signal was robust enough to mechanise using a servo.
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I was so pleased with the result that I went on to build a bracket signal with three arms on two posts.
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David
That's nice David. When I've nothing else to do on the layout (!!) I'll have a go at an MSE one.
 
Discussion starter · #76 ·
Hello Norm, I have just had a look but I havn't taken a picture of the milk van, I will try to remember to take one tomorrow. I have the Rapido SDJR coaches on order! Looks like they won't be ready until the end of the year though so I hope the wait is worth it. I waited several years for the Kernow GWR Railmotor and that was well worth it. The weather is poor for a few days so i may get started on some signals with a bit of luck.
Chris
 
Discussion starter · #77 ·
I think you should find it much easier to work with.

If you do decide to try using Model Signal Engineering, since absorbed into Wizard Models, parts to build a bespoke signal, I suggest starting with a kit first to get an idea of how the process works.
There is a large array of etched brass frets available for different signal parts - eg bracket, arms, lattice masts. Tubular masts are just brass tube cut to length. The kits are just the appropriate frets and tube bundled into a bag with instructions. Once you've seen how it goes, you can mix and match the frets yourself.

Perhaps this would make a good starting kit?
S4/KW2: GWR Tubular Post Lower Quadrant Signal Kit – Wizard Models Limited

David
A kit like that sounds a very good idea, what put me off a bit was not knowing if I had ordered all the parts needed. Two boxes of Ratio GWR signals came this morning, with the parts left from the last ones I made about 10 years ago that should give me most of the GW signals to start with.
Chris
 
Hello Norm, I have just had a look but I havn't taken a picture of the milk van, I will try to remember to take one tomorrow. I have the Rapido SDJR coaches on order! Looks like they won't be ready until the end of the year though so I hope the wait is worth it. I waited several years for the Kernow GWR Railmotor and that was well worth it. The weather is poor for a few days so i may get started on some signals with a bit of luck.
Chris
Hi Chris,
Yes the weather has dipped here again the last couple of days, quite cold & very damp again here, not so nice !
No problems on the milk wagon, be great to see as & when.
Like you hope the S&DJR Rapido coaches wait will be worthwhile, they certainly look the part. Have 4No S&DJR locos here, just really like that Prussian Blue; all obviously Steamers, but only have some kit built 4 wheel coaches for them at the moment - so fingers crossed for us both on that front. Need to have a S&DJR layout running day eh !
Really loved your Kernow GWR Railmotor model from some of your previous posts on the Cabin Thread - but it is a long model but excellent looking - definitely well worth the wait for sure.
Good to hear the signal kits have arrived; that's a plus with the Ratio kits, there's always lots of spare parts too ;)
Cheers for now & Happy Modelling, Norm
 
Discussion starter · #79 ·
Hi Chris,
Yes the weather has dipped here again the last couple of days, quite cold & very damp again here, not so nice !
No problems on the milk wagon, be great to see as & when.
Like you hope the S&DJR Rapido coaches wait will be worthwhile, they certainly look the part. Have 4No S&DJR locos here, just really like that Prussian Blue; all obviously Steamers, but only have some kit built 4 wheel coaches for them at the moment - so fingers crossed for us both on that front. Need to have a S&DJR layout running day eh !
Really loved your Kernow GWR Railmotor model from some of your previous posts on the Cabin Thread - but it is a long model but excellent looking - definitely well worth the wait for sure.
Good to hear the signal kits have arrived; that's a plus with the Ratio kits, there's always lots of spare parts too ;)
Cheers for now & Happy Modelling, Norm
I have taken a couple of pictures of the milk van. i had forgotten that I need to finish the painting, when I built it I didn't have a bow pen so I left any lining off. I need to be calm to tackle that! Oh dear, the cloe up shows my dodgy glueing on the windows.
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Posed with the 2P on the viaduct

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Close up of van, the "fat berg" is part of new scenery foundation.
The 2P is a Hornby model with rubber tyres, 2 of these came loose fairly quickly and even though I managed to get them back on the rims they kept coming off so in the end I cut them off. It still pulls enough vehicles for my needs, I think Hornby use them to give enough power round the sharp radius one curves, all my track it much shallower than that.
Chris
 
Hi again Chris,
Thanks for taking / posting the pics, think they look really good, very nicely set crossing the viaduct too.
Think you are being very hard on yourself, finishing the lining apart think the milk tank looks the part totally.
Also like the 2P, which is one of the ones have here in the S&DJR Blue, along with another 2P No.61 & a 4F No's 61 & finally a 7F No.88, some as pic below -
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Not had any trouble on the tyres front, but have not ran them that much either.
Think the S&DJR loco / train suites your lovely layout very well too.
Cheers again for now & Happy Modelling, Norm
 
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